The underlined part is translated something like “We need to give this scum any guarantees, promise anything and make any concessions … and hang them … hang them later”
This is what Borys Filatov - the assistant of new Dnipropetrovsk governor oligarch Ihor Kolomoyskyi, wrote on his FB page about methods of dealing with protesters (and now we have protests against oligarchs recently assigned by new government as governors in Dnipropetrovsk, Donetsk and Luhansk).
And for example the bulding of regional state administration in Donetsk is already blocked by the riot police, recently they even surrounded the building with wired fence. So it’s already even worse than it was during Yanukovich rule.
And the most dangerous is that these oligarchs are in fact are controlling the country, they have huge influence on new government, so they have the police, prosecutor offices, government, mass media (which simply belongs them) on their side.
Nobody inside the country can really do anything about oligarch clans, and if Europe and USA will ignore these facts and pretend that everything in Ukraine is ok now there’s no hope.
They really did support anti-Yanukovich protests, but in fact people were (and are now) not simply against president Yanukovich rather than system when oligarch clans control the country. But the question is will EU and USA do something about another oligarch clan controlling the country?
Since I have no illusions imo the answer is no, they have supported anti-Yanukovich coalition - now it’s new government and they will suport it, apparently doing business with this clan is more comfortable for them as well, and even concerning Yanukovich - they hadn’t blocked his assets in their banks until a week since he disappeared from Ukraine, and they’re not idiots - they knew that the money he transfered were not so legal from the very begining but who really cares lol.
So most likely everyone will pretend that new government is really different and much better than Yanukovich and so on and so on, while nothing really changed and it’s already can be seen.
And european mass-media alreadycalls these anti-oligarch protesters “pro-moscow clique” (the same way as russian media called euromaidan - “pro-american clique”). So people think that those protesters are some evil separatists, russian agents and etc. and it’s okay to use force against them, nobody will really have objections to any actions of governors.
And as far as I know Russia really is the only country supporting these protests and does everything to turn this protest into pro-russian. So these people will be either used to spread Russian dominance or will be suppressed by oligarchy.
It’s important to understand that the main reason why people rebel is that nobody really wants to live in country controlled by group of ridiculously rich crminals.
Those pro-russian slogans shout by protesters in Donetsk is more means than their real purpose ( here I am talking about simple people, there are some people positioning themselves as leaders of protest - their real purpose indeed is using the situation to russia’s advantage) - naturally people were really disturbed when they found out that one of the reachest oligarchs in Ukraine was assigned as they governor - it was pretty obvious that now he will have almost absolute power so they decided to act, russian propaganda persuaded people that new government will use force (police forces as well as radicals who had captured more than 1700 firearms few weeks before) and only Russia can protect them. On the other hand really one of the first actions of new parliament coalition was to cancel language bill (and majority of people in easter regions are russian speaking), speaker of parliament acting as the president assigned oligarchs as heads of regional state administrations it’s almost as presenting this regions to them, everyone who was against thus assignments were instantly declared pro-russian separatists, so there really were some mistakes that russians used. So those russian flags hold and pro-russian slogans shout by protesters are more like calls for help, hope that russia will protect them, since new government is protecting oligarchy and no one inside the country can stop them. The previous government did the same, naturally, only then oligarchs weren’t assigned as governors, so they didn’t directly control regions, rather controlled them by controlling deputies and etc. And reading such ‘frank’ impudent posts written by officials makes it clear that they fear nothing, normally person (especially official) would apologize after this, but not in this case. Filatov didn’t bother himself to apoligize and even more he continued with his aggressive posts, the same way as Dobkin did in such cases. And seeing how some people reasonably think that they can do anything and get away with anything is still disgusting even if now these people are the ones who supported Euromaidan (actually they used it).
So in any case ukrainians will lose.
Suddenly. Some serious guys in Donetsk. Experts suppose they’re from one of the american private military companies (judging by their ammunition as far as I know). There’s also info that’s they’re from Greystone ltd. not sure how they found out exact company and if this info can be trusted .
Anyway these serious guys have serious weapons. Apparently they’re acting as guards for new governor of Donetsk assigned few days ago by the new government - oligarch Serhiy Taruta.
It is really disturbing, since russians are now only in Crimea ( mostly unofficially - they don’t have any markings on their uniform and what they do is mostly drinking tea with ukrainian officers offering them to surrender peacefuly walking away if they get refusal and quietly blocking military objects, so for now there’s at leastno bloodhsed there ), and not in Donetsk. Why would governor need such serious guards in his own city?
And what’s happening these days in Donetsk is almost the same what happened few weeks ago in western regions protestors gather at rallies and capture the city state administration building. Only with 2 main differences: now they are protesting against new governor and new government generally, and really lots of them have russian flags (I’ll write about this little bit furhter).
On monday protesters catpured city state administration building, on Wednesday after report of bomb found in building they left it, at this time Taruta entered the building to have a conference call to prime minister from there, and left shortly after the call, few hours later protesters stormed the building again and seized it.
So basically everything that is happening there now is almost the same what happened few weeks ago. But if then mass media controlled by oligarchy (for example Kolomiyskyi - new governor of Dnipropetrovsk, or Poroshenko) supported protesters, now at first they simply ignored these events and later covered them in too biased way.
What concerns me is that again we have protesters, have oligarch as head of local regional administration (and now for some reason he has serious guys with serious guns around him, and I hope they’re there only to guard him), have mass media controlled by oligarchy. So it’s like all kinds of power are against protesters.
For now they only refuse to recognize Tartuta as their governor, demand federalization, demand governor to be elected in region instead of being assigned from Kyiv and also demand russian as regional language (which is natural since most of people there are russian speaking). But there are already lots of people with russian flags and pro-russian slogans.
The situation would be less dangereous if all of them were merely some separatists or russians (though there definetly are people like these among the protesters) but everything is more complicated and sad. The thing is that lots of people there really believe that only russian army can protect them in their own country, that government can’t deal with armed nazi extremists and even supports them. Mostly because russian mass media is really popular in that region. But on the other hand indeed new government can’t really control the situation - now we have groups of armed protesters practically instead of the police in Kyiv, have Olexandr Muzychko waving his AKMS in regional councils and procecutor’s offices and so on. Naturally russians didn’t miss their chance to show this in their propaganda news reports multiplying everything by ten adding hellish pictures of burning Kyiv adding text about how radicals want to bring this burning molotov hell to the eastern cities, how new government supports neo-nazis, stands against russian-speaking population and everything like that (though indeed one of the first actions of new parliament coalition was to cancel language bill, which was totally mistake, it had nothing to do with dealing with serious economical problems, instead it only escalated confrontation in society, and later speaker of parliament who now acts as president refused to sign the cancelation of this bill but it was already too late). So in fact russians have persuaded people in eastern regions that the new government is against them and doesn’t protect them.
And what happened next is that government assigned oligarch as the head of regional state administration. Naturally people are against such governor, but he has the police, criminal sturctures, mass media on his side. So the worst is that in such situation people don’t believe that their own country will protect them - thats where russia comes into play.
If euromaidan protesters were supported by several oligarchs in their country and the whole world outside the country (except only their own government and Russia) these people are supported only by Russia and it’s mass media. And naturally Russia is going to use these people in its own purposes. On the other hand government has been branding everyone who spoke of federalization as separatists, making enemies of those people from the very beginning.
New government really made several important mistakes creating such conditions and Russia uses these mistakes turning anti-oligarch protest into pro-russian.
Today activists of “Right Sector” have captured another regional council, now it’s in Vasylkiv - town near Kyiv.
No comments needed, I believe.
I’m too emotionally exhausted to comment much on this topic, each time I begin writting it’s like living through this again and it ends up in really really long posts were I usulayy repeat the same idea several times (because usually it is something rather obvious if you know the facts, but mass media, politicians, sometimes it feels like everybody simply ignores it).
Concerning part of conversation about killers who shot people on Euromaidan (about 8:20) it’s good that at least on level of such conversations somebody understands what is happening with investigation. Olga minister Paet mentions is Olga Bogomolets who is concerned to be the informal “moral leader” of medical service on Euromaidan.
Because now mass-media almost ignores investigation, everybody remembers how terrible it was, everybody mourns the victims, but it’s as if everybody has already forgotten about snipers who did it, as if everybody has gave up to find the killers and those who gave them orders.
And it seems that nobody really bothers to conduct proper investigation, they didn’t even inspect the wounds, find the bullets detemine which guns were used and so on (actually they did everything, but they didn’t reveal any results). Info that was published about investigation is rather questionable - they found some parts of sniper rifle and some bullets in the bulding of National Bank of Ukraine 4 days after the bloody Thursday, 4 days after the police retreated and nobody really controlled that place (to me finding such evidence after 4 days is as likely as if finding there written order to shoot people, but it’s only my opinion), and it’s almost all facts that were revealed. BUT it contradicts (or at least doesn’t explain) something rather important which is ingored (at least publically) by the investiagtors.
I’ve already written about some facts which are now ignored both in mass media here and the police. The most important is this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0DxkDiAcSF8. . If you pay attention to the last seconds you will notice a bullet hitting tree. And bullet was shot from behind the protesters, luckily this bullet missed the target and hit the tree. So protesters were shot in their backs, which means that this shot was made not from the building of National Bank of Ukraine (protesters were moving from Euromaidan towards the government square - where National Bank of Ukraine is located, so if they were shot from there - bullets would fly from direction opposite from that in the video;). After the very first shots policemen (since they had no firearms) began retreating from Euromaidan, they were shot as well, and as the photos of their vehicles pierced by bullets show, they were shot from buildings on Independence Square (cars covering their retreat were riding in reverse gear, with cabins facing Euromaidan, and several bullets pierced the front of the vehicles). So at least one group of snipers was shooting from Euromaidan.
But both mass media and investigaion group ignore this.
And concerning the video I mentioned - it was clipped in rather curious way - it ends up at the very moment when bullet hits the tree - as if someone intentionally tried to hide this moment, but failed a bit.
Another important point is video showing some armed men with yellow bands on their hands on the streets. First of all they have weird ammunition (also I’ve already reposted info about them as well) obviously not some police force, and they were somewhere on the ground not in the buildings so they are not the real snipers who shot people. It seems they were just needed to have a picture of some people who look like some special force shooting somwhere to show in news. And that’s all.
And if snipers were really shooting from behind the protesters I’d like to know why protesters wounded that day don’t speak about that they were shot in their backs? Maybe they do, but mass media ignores them, maybe someone threatens them. Why Olga Bogomolets didn’t mention anything about this?
But this all is completely ignored. What will happen next that they will never really find the real killers and those who gave them orders, more likely they’ll just pin everything on some politicians who already ran away from country and will never be found, I suppose.
Though I don’t believe that someone among Ukrainian politicians of former opposition really could organize something like this (I’m not telling they’re all saints, but such serious actions are just not their level) most likely everything was made by order from outside the country.
Ні, знову це терпіти неможливо… Хочеться просто вже самому тупо захопити Раду, оголосити що всі під*раси, що всі низложені, всі смокчуть х*ї, оголисити Україну колонією якоїсь Південної Кореї чи Японії, нехай присилають генерал-губернатора щи че якось (без права відмовлятися) і нехай правлять нами чесно та ефективно, бо в самих клепки не вистачає бл*, ідіоти самі, поки “свої” чи росіяни правлять різниці нема, знову все , влада, олігархи всі пов’язані, все як завжди, всі одне одного знають-поважають. Знову все тупо поділили, росіяне вторглися - взагалі чудово, можна всі проблеми тепер на це списати і далі “распілівать”. Олігархи, Росія, нацики. Дістало. Знову все те саме, і одразу так “олігархи такі гарнесенькі, кокококо”.
Ололо, тепер мені зроблять “атятятя” за “антидержавницькі заклики”, лол (та за “наїзди” на “поважних людей”). Блазні.
Simply shocked by todays news in Ukraine. Now some politicians (deputies of parliament) who support new government (whose parties formed this new government) using TV channels spread opinion like “It’s great that oligarchs became governors. IT’S INCREDIBLE! EVEN THEM WILL NOW HELP US TO SAVE THE COUNTRY!!” and everything like this. It’s such an obvious lie, hypocrisy, it’s propaganda I don’t know, they are trying to convince people that what they were fighting against for all those months is now something great.
I’m sick of it. It hurts me almost physically, I don’t know how is it possible and if anybody can possible believe such sh*t.
What they made is that they only gave power to oligarchs, the let them take control over regional state institutes wich those thieves will use only in their own purposes to make money in all ways possible in exchange for the support towards new government. Nothing changed from previous government.
I was reading news, and they were making new post for every head of regional state administrations assigned, and at some point it was simply list of oligarchs.
Those oligarchs could really help country by investing their money in economy, helping rebuild and modernize their own factories, but they won’t do it, it’s simply unnecessary expenses for them.
Yesterday’s opposition states that those oligarchs are helping people by taking direct control over regions !! Those oligarchs have connections in criminal world, they are obviously criminals as well, only they have enough money not only to buy themselves freedom, they have enough money to wash brains about how great and kind masters they are for people.
Just have no words to describe this feeling. It’s simply stating that black is white, and white is black and pretending that everything is ok.
I may be prejudiced but I honeslty can’t imagine anyone sane who would really believe that giving power directly to oligarchs who are criminals, with the even bigger and more ridiculous palaces than Yanukovich had ( Yanukovich himself was controlled by even bigger oligarchs, until the point when it became obvious that he can’t be effectivly used to rule the country - then they simply decided to support new government) will end up good for people in any way.
Situation in Ukraine 02.03.2014
What happened today is that new government assigned list of oligarchs as heads of regional state administrations. Not one little oligarch but whole list of those. Yesterday in several eastern regions of Ukraine people were marching with russian flags showing that they are against new government in Kyiv, these pro-russian (or it’s more accurate to call them anti euromaidan-government but almost all of them see Russia as the only alternative option) protesters captured state administration in Kharkiv - the same way as euromaidan protesters captured state aministrations few weeks ago, they beat up euromaidan protesters that were inside the building (though those portesters were not simple as well, they used pneumatic rifles, bats, knives, stun grenades, water cannon prepared beforehand to protect themselves). And the connection betweed oligarchs assigned as heads of state administrations and these anti-government and pro-russian protests is simple.
In fact it means that new government made a deal with certain oligarchs: government gives oligarchs means and freedom to make money (obviously in illegal ways, using state institutions and even the police for the purposes of oligarchs) , in exchange they will maintain order in regions, and knowing their methods they won’t even bother themselves explaining people that Russia only wants to expand it’s empire, and don’t really care about people living there, secruing safety of russian-speaking people and so on - they will simply use force, as they did during euromaidan, they’ll buy leaders of those protests, and if someone in police will refuse to fight against people - they will bribe or intimidate him. Also these oligarchs have strong connections and influence in criminal world, so they might as well use criminals to attack protesters, or simply send anti-russian far right radicals to beat up protesters, instead of the police.
We live in middle ages here. That’s why people went on Euromaidan - to put this middle ages and rule of group of oligarchs to an end.
In other words we have new king taken the power in country, simply different king with the same system, only different face in charge of it. People in provinces attempted to use this situation of chaos in country to they own advantage (as well as their neighbour attempted to use them to expand his empire) ,and new weak king offers local lords more power and possibilities under his rule but with condition that these lords will stop people marching against him.
What we have now - the same oligarchy in government as it was 4 months ago (and 4 years ago, and 10 years ago, we’ve been living like this for 23 years), only now lots of people died in attempts to change our country, we have russian army forces in Crimea, we have lots of people in the Eastern Ukraine who are in fact separatists, are supporting and trusing Russia more than their own country, we are on the edge of war, we have economical crisis, people are simply used by different sides.
Efforts of the one part of society were used to bring certain politicians to power, to give freedom to armed radicals, other people are now used as tools to expand certain empire, and nothing has changed to better so far. The same oligarchy, the same problems + new terrible problems, lots of victims.
Honestly I just want to cry, it’s so absurd and pointless. Everything what happened for past months only made the situation worse. Last week everybody was congratulating us with victory, but it’s not even close to the phyrric victory so far.
Russians can simply bring Yanukovich back here and declare him legit president by using force, or they may even make some sort of deal with Tymoshenko about this.
Yanukovich offered Yatsenyuk to become prime minister back in January, opposition refused. Now we have prime-minister Yatsenyuk without Yanukovich but with the same oligarchy, the same problems + Russia attempting to eat part of Ukrainian territory + people on the edge of civil war (supported from outside the country) + terrifying number of victims killed during confrontation + even deeper economical crisis + armed groups controlling the streets. And the worst is that there really are people who want to live under Russian rule, feeling themselves more secure this way.
New commander of Ukrainian Navy assigned yesterday by speaker of parliament Turchinov (acting as president) today has simply defeced declaring that from now on he is acting under the command of the Crimean government.
Suddenly, after about three months of confrontation BBC covers the problem with neo-nazis on Euromaidan.
But now we have the worst scenario coming true, or at least close to it. The situation in Crimea is really terrifying. The wost is that indeed the significant part of population in Crimea and East Ukraine supports Russia so if the war starts it will be ukrainians vs ukrainians in first place. So even if Russia will be stopped people here would already be involved in civil war (it’s only my opinion, and I hope I am wrong about it).
There are many factors that lead to this, including the fact that people in the east of Ukraine and Crimea were concerned about neo-nazis coming to power ( radical organisation members getting chairs in the police and etc, simply disinclination or indecision of new government to do something about armed radicals) and are convinced that new government is on the side of neo-nazis so the police, security service and so on will use force against them along with radicals (and even more after watching russian news about the situation), so now they really think that they can be protected only by russian troops. Naturally Russia is trying to use this.
By now Ukrainian government had changed it’s attitude towards Crimean government, in fact declaring them criminals and separatists. They also stated that decision about plebiscite in Crimea was illegit, but this plebiscite concerning improving the status of Crimean Autonomy was real way to calm people there without any bloodshed. In my opinion it’s great mistake. They are just making more and more people support russians with such actions.
About an hour ago the head of National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine declared general mobilization, though only on his facebook page, but he promised that official documents will be ready later this morning.
Protester injured during armed conforntation in Kyiv last week.
You can notice tattoo of star his shoulder, it’s rather common soviet (and post-soviet) criminal tattoo indicating that we have high ranked and respceted thief before us.
Stars: Worn on the shoulders: Signifies that the owner is a man of discipline, status, and tradition. Men will also receive stars when promoted to “Captain” in the Vory V Zakone.
So now you can imagine which people we have mixing up with protesters here in Kyiv. Now (for about a week already - since most of police forces retreated) the city is in fact controlled by armed groups of protesters. But these groups are not homogenous and not controlled from one centre, some of them listen to new government, other not.
The police can’t really control anything, we have new government brought to power by Euromaidan, and naturally this new government is trying not to irritate protesters by sending more police on streets. They established joint patrols of protesters and policemen to control streets, news here (and the truth is that at least two Ukrainian channels were captured by armed people few days ago) cover everything like we have order on streets, but it’s not that good, since more and more buildings, cars are burnt, people injured, stores robbed and etc.
And such criminals mimicking as protesters are not the worst problem here, they aren’t well trained, aren’t organized, the real threat are armed radical groups (most of them are sort of neo-nazi groups) with well trained experienced professionals who fought in real conflicts (Chechnya, Georgia).